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From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) Ross Jeffries
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 30 Dec 2000 19:56:09 GMT

Subject: Re: Chick Bullshit Report! Blowing out JulianaBitch!

>Subject: Chick Bullshit Report! Blowing out JulianaBitch!
>From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
>Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 9:10 AM
>Message-id: <92l4tg$hl9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>

>What could have been done better? Or was the only rational thing
>to do was early detection and bail, which I did..

  I think you did everything right as evidenced by your addition to your post. 
Chicks like this are actually quite unhappy with what they get from guys(having
asses kissed...they WANT to be seen and treated as humans,which you did...you
treated her like ANY human would be treated if they acted that way!).  You may
indeed lay her but her total misery index(TMI) is so high, you'll want to get
away from her soon after!


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From: "yaritai" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Chick Bullshit Report! Blowing out JulianaBitch!
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 05:05:39 +0900

some ideas...

 wrote in message news:92l4tg$hl9$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Chick Bullshit Report! Blowing out JulianaBitch!
> 001202
(snip)
> She says OK, and eventually shows up. I am in the middle of
> getting my PC, so I go get her, and go for coffee with her. She is
> absolutely uninteresing, (next question, how do you PU a cute, but
> dumb chick) After we talk for a bit, I bring her back to the shop,

Talkers and doers. If they don't talk, then DO!
Having coffee with someone puts you in the sometimes uncomfortable position
of having to talk. Some people are stupid, uninteresting, or just don't like
talking. Others would rather sit on their ass and do nothing BUT talk!
Obviously, this chick wasn't into talking, so you might have done something
with her that didn't require any talking? (Ferris wheel, game center, etc.?)


> where I continue to buy my PC. I finish that (takes like 45
> minutes.. she asks if she can go downstairs and see I-mode
> cellphone, I say fine, see you later), later she comes back, and I am
> about done.

Here's something I'll bet she likes to talk about!


> Now the bullshit starts.. she starts telling me about how she likes
> guys who treat her first (ie. Buy her lots of shit).

What does this mean? (I mean, how would she have explained this comment?)
"First" implies that something follows. What would that be?

By the way, at some point later, you could have used a story about a friend
of yours. Something like:

"My friend Sandy only dates guys that spend lots of money on her. She was
telling me that she always
felt like she "won" because they'd take her out to fancy dinners and shit
before she'd let them fuck her. Sadly for her, she realized that these guys
ONLY wanted to fuck her and that's why they were so willing to treat her to
fancy dinners and shit. They essentially were BUYING sex from her. Not much
different from a cheap whore on the street. These guys had a lot of money,
so it really didn't matter to them. Spending money on a chick for the
certainty of sex is no big deal.
Now, she feels like a cheap slut because she realized that that's really all
her relationships were about. Now she AVOIDS guys that want to pay for too
much. She knows that their only goal is to just fuck her, and has nothing to
do with getting to her as a person or actually enjoy their time with her.
And, after all, it makes sense, doesn't it? When you think about it, why
WOULD a guy spend money on a woman he doesn't know? Anyway, she's kinda
depressed now because of all the great guys that she passed up, while she
was enjoying her time with Mr. Moneybags. She has NO good memories of any
real relationship with any of them.

(Warning! I haven't tried this and it isn't field tested, at least by me.
But it IS something that I plan to use if I ever see the need. I *feel* that
it has a good chance of working because you bring her entire self-concept
into question as well as eliciting a fear response that she should want to
avert. On the downside, it may be too "logical" for it to work. I know it's
wordy, but I would pare it down and make it appropriate to the given
situation that I am in. Other than that, anyone have any ideas on how to
improve it, or why it would/wouldn't work?)

> I also notice that
> eye contact is shit, and she doesn't smile much, and kino is shit.
> This chick is not into me at all (which is fine, it happens

Not necessarily. Could it have been your mood that was interfering with
reading her signals properly? She must've been into you on some level. She
DID, after all, go to meet you. I find kino very difficult with almost all J
chicks, and they rarely reciprocate, but it doesn't seem to mean shit,
'cause when I go for the kiss I
almost always get it, (and usually more).

> sometimes.. but its her fault for fucking up the meeting and not
> showing up when she should have, which is why now she wound
> up in a computer store in  Akihabara).
>
> I decide to bail, and go home with my new PC, and she starts
> complaining about how expensive her subway ticket is to go home.

Complaining about 200 fucking yen? Ok, she's a loser. (No matter how much of
a gold-digger she may be, it's beneath most people to beg for the fare
home.)

> Now Maniac remembers this bullshit from HB Hotpants (thanks
> MrSex for that great followup report), and I do exactly what he
> suggested, and I do not buy her her subway ticket (figuring that
> anyways, she will blow me out and never see me again anyways).
> She remarks 5 TIMES how her ticket is expensive, and I just say
> 'ganbatte' (go for it).

In situations like this, it is so ridiculous that I end up laughing like
they actually told me a funny joke. Actually, it IS a funny joke, someone
complaining about train fare home. Just laugh and say something like "ha,
yeah right. What are you talking about? 200 yen is expensive?! ha! What are
you homeless? ha!! ha!!" She'll feel too stupid to continue. (I can't
explain this well in words, sorry.)

(snip)
> Now, the downside.. there must have been a way to be able to lay
> this chick, and that, I didn't figure out in this case. Now granted
> you cannot lay them all, but still, it is good to learn from the
> failures.
>
> Opinions anyone on this? Obviously she fucks (I asked her how
> many BFs she had had, and she wouldn't tell me, but I think it was
> a lot from what other things she told me). I could not get this chick
> to open up at all, no eye contact, no smiling.. nothing, no matter
> what I tried.

Actually, I didn't notice anything in your post describing anything that you
"tried"! What did you do other than kino?

>
> She said she likes Roppongi, and dancing.. but this could be a very
> big supplication opportunity if I go there with her (she will expect
> me to pay probably, and then whether I do (or don't) I am sure she
> will blow me out, and try to get as much attention from as many
> guys as she can.. her way it seems..
>
> What could have been done better? Or was the only rational thing
> to do was early detection and bail, which I did..

I'm wondering if the best thing to do is to try right up until the very end
without supplicating. For example, you found it impossible to get any
rapport with her, right?
What if you had led her down a fairly deserted street and, just out of the
blue, stopped, grabbed her by the shoulders, and kissed her? You may be
convinced that it would never have worked, but I'm not so sure. She went out
to meet you, which means there must be some reason. I don't believe it was
just to see if she could get you to supplicate into paying for her subway
ticket. When you realize that she's a stupid/boring chick, would ACTION
speak louder than words? At this point, you have nothing to lose right? Why
not try something?

>
> Opinions anyone?
>
> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>
> [addendum.. it was 3 weeks ago I wrote this (couldnt post, deja
> was fucked up.. since then I talked to the chick, and she,
> without any prompting, 'apologized' for being so 'tired and
> acting selfish' last time, and would like to meet me again
> and she said she would behave better... imagine that ;-)
> We shall see... Maniac]

Well, there you go. Maybe the non-supplication DID work for you after all!
Let us know what happens, and if you try the 'whores want guys to pay for
everything' routine.

yaritai


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From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 02 Jan 2001 18:58:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Chick Bullshit Report! Blowing out JulianaBitch!

In article <92l4tg$hl9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, maniac_high@yahoo.com writes:

>Chick Bullshit Report! Blowing out JulianaBitch!
>001202

>Here's the story.
>Firstly, I show up to the meeting place and no bitch. So I start to go
>home, and she calls me and says is it ok if she meets another day
>like next weekend. I tell her I am busy, so some other time when
>we are less busy. (I think she usually expects guys to rearrange all
>their schedules, just because she is cute (which admittedly she is.. a
>9 I figure, a 10 if I would have met her at 21YO).
>
>I tell her I am going to 'Akahabara' (a part of Tokyo with lots of
>electronics shops and geeks, as I am buying a new Sony Vaio
>before going on holidays. If she wants to meet me, she can meet
>me there and hang out with me while I buy a PC, because I am not
>going to wait for her to take an hour to get to where she was
>supposed to before..

good idea here.  SHE was supposed to be there.  she was not.  you moved on and
spent your time wisely instead of HOPING that she would show up and give you A
LITTLE of her time.  NOW she has to floow YOUR rules or not see you at all. 
nice.

>She says OK, and eventually shows up. I am in the middle of
>getting my PC, so I go get her, and go for coffee with her.

THIS I would NOT have done.  her "date" was contingent upon her showing up
APPROXIMATELY when you told her to in the place you told her to meet you.  she
did NOT have a good excuse, so you BLEW OFF the date with her and went shopping
for yourself (an additional dis because you are spending money you MIGHT have
spent on her, as far as she knows).  when she comes to join you, you have
effectively one-and-done'd her.  you give that power away by falling back into
"date" mode.  even with my MLTR, I had to wait for her a couple of times and
let her know that I was going to wait for her from now on for a REASONABLE
amount of time, considering train delays and such.  after that time, she should
ASSUME I went on with whatever I was planning to do WITHOUT HER.  if what we
were going to do is something I was going to do anyway and she is tagging
along, then she can find me there, most likely.  if I was going to do something
else if she didn't show, she knows that too and can try to find me by calling
me on my cel phone... IF I decide to pick it up and talk (I may be talking to
another chick by that time :-).  by going for coffee with this chick, you STILL
INTERRUPTED what YOU wanted to do to socialize with her.  I say that once she
gets blown out for a date, ALL benefits disappear and she is playing COMPLETELY
by your rules or not at all.  I would have shopped for my PC and done ANYTHING
ELSE I wanted to do and then any EXTRA time would have been spent on her...
ASSUMING she was still there and hadn't left feeling angry that she came all
that way to watch me shop :)  NEXT!

>She is
>absolutely uninteresing, (next question, how do you PU a cute, but
>dumb chick) 

dummies are tough.  if she is a listener, talk.  if she is a talker, listen. 
the more you interact with different bitches, the more styles you will have for
dealing with them.  I met one a while back that is COMPLETELY ERRATIC with her
speech patterns.  she jumps from topic to topic ILLOGICALLY, even for a chick! 
the first time I encountered her, she defeated me because I couldn't find a way
to talk to her efficiently, she would ALWAYS go off on her own tangent.  I
finally talked to her for hours and hours and learned how to take pot-shots at
her random sentences.  doing that, I would eventually hit something that made
her EMOTIONAL, and then she would stop and remain on that topic and I could use
my speech effectively for a while PLUS get to know the things that will slow
her down whenever I want to... like a tranquilizer :)

>After we talk for a bit, I bring her back to the shop,
>where I continue to buy my PC. I finish that (takes like 45
>minutes.. 

you should have thrown that extra 45 minutes in her face for not showing up on
time... THEN gone for coffee with her.

>she asks if she can go downstairs and see I-mode
>cellphone, I say fine, see you later), later she comes back, and I am
>about done.
>
>Now the bullshit starts.. she starts telling me about how she likes
>guys who treat her first (ie. Buy her lots of shit). I also notice that
>eye contact is shit, and she doesn't smile much, and kino is shit.

ask her how many guys she knows like this.  ask her why she isn't sitting with
them right now instead of you.  indirectly relate what she does to prostitution
and what they do to BUYING sex because they can't get it on the merits of their
looks or personalities.

>I decide to bail, and go home with my new PC, and she starts
>complaining about how expensive her subway ticket is to go home.
>Now Maniac remembers this bullshit from HB Hotpants (thanks
>MrSex for that great followup report), and I do exactly what he
>suggested, and I do not buy her her subway ticket (figuring that
>anyways, she will blow me out and never see me again anyways).
>She remarks 5 TIMES how her ticket is expensive, and I just say
>'ganbatte' (go for it).
>
>Then get this, she pulls out a 'Luis Vuitton' purse (around $500)
>and buys her ticket. Now she is visibly pissed that she couldn't
>play me and get me to supplicate to her and shit. She leaves, I
>leave.

see what I told you.  if a bitch doesn't have money to pay for herself, she is
PATHETIC and I don't want to be around her.  I make money for ME, not her.  she
has to pay RENT, right?  if I don't give her rent money, is she going to go
homeless?  if she DOES have money and asks you for it anyway, she is a
PARASITE... and I don't want to deal with her in that case either.  bitches
should be ASHAMED to BEG guys for shit.  ESPECIALLY in ASIAN society.  next
time she asks you for something, make her DISHONOR herself to get it.  tell her
to get on her knees and beg loud enough so that EVERYONE in the area can see
her begging you for train fare... if she is retarded enough to do that,let her
beg for a couple of minutes straight... then tell her NO!  hahahahaha :)

>Now, the bright side of this, is I didn't waste any time (except the
>initial time to get to the first meetingplace, but that was on the way
>to Akihabara anyways, so no big deal), did not waste any money,
>and recognized by body language, that this chick was NOT into
>me, and just wanted to play me to supplicate to her, and then she
>threw her tittie tantrum when I didn't. At least I could recognize
>that, and bail early..

isn't that interesting... the female version of what guys do.  guys are not
"interested" in females as people, but want to fuck them so they PRETEND to be
interested.  this chick PRETENDED to be interested in "dating" you so she could
get stuff from you.

>Now, the downside.. there must have been a way to be able to lay
>this chick, and that, I didn't figure out in this case. Now granted
>you cannot lay them all, but still, it is good to learn from the
>failures.
>
>Opinions anyone on this? Obviously she fucks (I asked her how
>many BFs she had had, and she wouldn't tell me, but I think it was
>a lot from what other things she told me). I could not get this chick
>to open up at all, no eye contact, no smiling.. nothing, no matter
>what I tried.

the same way you get OTHER bitches to fuck.  find out what moves her into a
sexy state and focus on that.  you NEVER found out what makes her horny, WHO
makes her horny, what she likes sexually... you don't know ANYTHING about this
chick that would allow you to seduce her by anything but LUCK.  all you found
out is that she "likes" guys that buy her stuff.  does she like FAT guys that
buy her stuff?  ugly guys that buy her stuff?  what does she DO for the guys
that she "likes" because they buy her stuff.  you have NO information.

>She said she likes Roppongi, and dancing.. but this could be a very
>big supplication opportunity if I go there with her (she will expect
>me to pay probably, and then whether I do (or don't) I am sure she
>will blow me out, and try to get as much attention from as many
>guys as she can.. her way it seems..

if you want to go somewhere with her, let her know that you do NOT pay for
bitches to do ANYTHING unless she is YOUR BITCH, meaning she does this this
this this for you.  PERIOD.  if she doesn't want to give up the goods, she
KNOWS you are not paying ANYTHING for her.  this is the BASIC pivot, where she
had the opportunity to be on a higher level and DECLINED that op, so now, she
has been demoted and she knows WHY and what she has to do to get on a higher
level with you.

>What could have been done better? Or was the only rational thing
>to do was early detection and bail, which I did..

you should have gotten more INFORMATION about her.  you never found out
ANYTHING that would make seducing her easy or by-the-book.  you were taking
shots in the dark.

>[addendum.. it was 3 weeks ago I wrote this (couldnt post, deja
>was fucked up.. since then I talked to the chick, and she,
>without any prompting, 'apologized' for being so 'tired and
>acting selfish' last time, and would like to meet me again
>and she said she would behave better... imagine that ;-)
>We shall see... Maniac]

one and done please
one and done

she has already fucked up... make her PAY YOUR PRICE to get back in with you.


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From: Jake Thomson 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Chick Bullshit Report! Blowing out JulianaBitch!
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:44:48 -0700


sandygoat wrote:
> 



> 
> Don't you think this will sound a little to much like prostitution and turn
> her off?  IME, telling chix OUTRIGHT without 'frosting' what the parameters
> for a relationship are going to be, has backfired and they have gotten
> pissed and bailed.  Although, if you treat it like a Pavlovian reward based
> deal, it is all good.  But that does ME no good if I have not already gotten
> the lay.  I can't (Step B), take her to a nice dinner and night out, because
> I haven't got to Step A yet, the PUSSY!  How can this be made clear to chix,
> not to expect to come over and get all sorts of dates and attention, without
> giving it up first?

You screen them. First of all, get them to buy into the idea that you
can rock their world sexually like nobody else ever has. Then, tell them
the rocks for gold story that Maniac posted last week. If she buys into
it, she knows where you stand and she knows what she has to do. If she
doesn't buy into it, you're not getting any anyway, so NEXT! 

Same plan only different characters, tell her some stories about this
guy you know who does extremely well with women. He sexually satisfies
them like nobody else ever has satisfied in their entire lives. But he
won't spend a dime on a women unless he's sexing her. His name? Well,
let's just call him MrSex4u, and make some shit up. Just do this after
you got her all hot and bothered.

Oh, yeah. One more thing. In either scenario she needs to buy into the
idea that this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. She takes it now, or
it's gone. Forever. Why? Because if she's stupid enough to piss away her
chance, you'll simply find someone else who's smart enough to take the
opportunity you provide. You'll be fucking smartchick's brains out
instead, and you simply won't have time for dumbchick.

That's my opinion and you're welcome to it.

hth

-- 
Jake Thomson
Two guys are walking down the street.
The first walks into a bar, the second one ducks.
mailto: jakethomson@uswest.net


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From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 07 Jan 2001 06:56:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Chick Bullshit Report! Blowing out JulianaBitch!

>tell her some stories about this
>guy you know who does extremely well with women. He sexually satisfies
>them like nobody else ever has satisfied in their entire lives. But he
>won't spend a dime on a women unless he's sexing her. His name? Well,
>let's just call him MrSex4u, and make some shit up.

HAH!  that shit'll NEVER go over ;)

>if she's stupid enough to piss away her
>chance, you'll simply find someone else who's smart enough to take the
>opportunity you provide. You'll be fucking smartchick's brains out
>instead, and you simply won't have time for dumbchick.

that's PRECISELY the point.  you don't need her to call you in the future
because what you are selling is going to be SOLD ASAP.  you are letting her in
on the ground floor, like an IPO.  if she doesn't want to buy now, not only
will the price be MUCH HIGHER when she does finally decide to buy, but NOBODY
will be willing to sell her their shares.  IOW, she is LUCKY that you just
HAPPEN to have a slot open and find her attractive enough to offer it to her. 
AS SOON as you get a taker for what you are offering, you are going to be
spending so much time with her that you won't have time for other chicks.  if
you DO have time for them, it is to get more of what YOU WANT.  either way, she
can give it to you NOW and reap the benefits of being your #1 for the time
being or give it up LATER and have NO BENEFITS because a SMARTER chick will be
your #1.

the thing that makes her give a fuck is that she will KNOW you are getting
sexually satisfied ALL THE TIME and that you are doing the same for your chick
(which COULD have been her).  MEANWHILE, she is getting NO SEX or tops ONS
because the same thing that caused her NOT to take you up on your offer when
you were available (for that short period of time) will cause her to
incorrectly assess and pass up OTHER quality guys, until she gives in and looks
for your number... that you never gave her :)


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From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 08 Jan 2001 15:27:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Chick Bullshit Report! Blowing out JulianaBitch!

>MrSex4uNYC wrote:
>> 
>> >tell her some stories about this
>> >guy you know who does extremely well with women. He sexually satisfies
>> >them like nobody else ever has satisfied in their entire lives. But he
>> >won't spend a dime on a women unless he's sexing her. His name? Well,
>> >let's just call him MrSex4u, and make some shit up.
>> 
>> HAH!  that shit'll NEVER go over ;)
>> 
>
>LOL! You know, I thought I'd never say this. You're being too modest
>MrSex. How about telling her stories about a guy who sexually satisfies
>women the way they've always longed for and dreamed about, but had never
>experienced before? And that he only spends money on women who sex him
>in return?

sounds like a DOUBLE-WIN for the chick!!!!! :)

she gets HOT SEX from the guy AND gets taken out and he spends money on her? 
she'd better GET some of THAT... while the GETTIN'S GOOD!  ;)